Talk:Infernal Arms

Chanting moveset title names
I'm going to change the moveset title names of the hidden aspects from the weapon names to the aspect names.

For example, changing "Igneus Eden Moveset" to "Aspect of Lucifer Moveset"

Reasons why: --Boofsader (talk) 03:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Everyone knows the names of the aspects but not everyone knows the names of the weapons.
 * For greater naming consistency - it is in the Aspect section below a long list of other named aspects directly above it, including its own aspect name. It seems out of place and inconsistent to refer to it by the weapon name rather than the aspect name.

Hidden Aspect Unlock Requirements
It's possible that in order for an NPC to give you the activation phrase for a hidden aspect, you need to have (at some point in the past) used that weapon in their presence and they may need to have commented about it.

One guide (https://xd.adobe.com/view/b90bd0e4-4ae8-400b-709d-3305de01e6b3-cf3a/screen/78c2f8f1-fc68-4608-9cdb-db9177c0f30b?fullscreen) gives this as a requirement with Zeus and the Rail but it may be needed for all of hidden aspects. This is difficult to test, though, because it's very likely that players would have met this requirement without trying in the past. I've left it out of the requirements because I don't know for certain and (even if it is required) most players will likely have met it before. --Boofsader (talk) 04:40, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Did a quick test today on whether Zagreus aspects count for revealing hidden weapon aspects other than Guan Yu - they do. With Guan Yu revealed, I had rank 1 Hestia unlocked (2 TB) so added 3 TB to the Rail's Zagreus aspect. Zeus gave the activation phrase for Lucifer soon after.

Another interesting thing I checked (not related): When you "Give Up" a run it keeps the same seed but the conversations you have with gods can be different. Instead of letting zag die repeatedly in the first or second zone, I tried giving up and returning to talk to Zeus again for the activation phrase. In the 5 or 6 so tests I did, he gave the activation phrase twice and the other times he had some story-related dialogue (asking Zag to tell Hades that he forgives him). --Boofsader (talk) 16:20, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Differentiating between Revealing and Unlocking
Going to change the titles of the "Unlocking" sections of the hidden aspects to "Revealing":

It's a more exact term because you reveal something that is hidden and unlock something that is locked - the instructions give the procedure for revealing hidden aspects, not unlocking them after they are revealed by spending Titan Blood