Talk:Twin Fists

Twin Fists could need a section for Aspect of Gilgamesh similarly to the way Stygian Blade has its section for Aspect of Arthur. Someone is welcome to do this or i will myself later. / TheMagePie

Aspect of Gilgamesh
"Wait for Asterius to tell you how to proceed after defeating him (in his chamber before the arena with Theseus)" and "You likely need to bring the Fists into his fight at least once for him to acknowledge it; he may tell you the command to awaken the Aspect in a subsequent run without using the Fists." don't really seem to add up. I met the requirements, did a Fists run without encountering Asterius (he also did not acknowledge anything in the Heroes fight), then afterwards did a Sword run where Asterius immediately revealed the Fists wake phrase. If someone else can confirm, this should be changed. 82.75.91.176 19:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

--- All conversations with Asterius about the Fists take place when he is alone in his own arena before the final fight with Theseus.

IF dialogue about the Fists from him is required, I believe it's this:

Asterius: Huh. You mean to fight with me bare-handed this time, short one? I'm not ashamed to say the Champion Himself defeated me in such a manner back when we drew breath.

Zagreus: Wouldn't say the Twin Fists of Malphon counts as empty-handed, sir, though it surprises me to hear you could be beaten in such a way.

Asterius: I was hungry and unprepared. Inexperienced. No longer. Come.

Do you recall ever seeing that conversation from him in the past while fighting him with the fists before getting the waking phrase?

My experience with the reveal was like this:

I put 5 TB into Fists aspects, fought Asterius about 3 times with other weapons and never got the waking phrase. I started using the fists in fights against him and (I think) on the first fight, I got the dialogue above. The next time I fought him I got the waking phrase.

If we get multiple people saying they've gotten the waking phrase without ever seeing the above dialogue, I think it should be changed.--Boofsader (talk) 21:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

- I do remember that dialogue, but that was before unlocking Guan Yu I'm pretty sure, as when I unlocked Guan Yu I immediately did a run with it, then immediately after a Fists run (without Asterius solo, as per above). Interesting… could it be that Guan Yu is not a prerequisite for that first dialogue, only having invested 5 blood is? 82.75.91.176 11:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

- Yeah, the "weapon acknowledgement" dialogue can happen before Guan Yu is revealed (same with Zeus, Artemis, and Chaos for the Rail, Bow, and Shield). Once you've had/seen it at some point in the past (before or after Guan Yu's reveal), you should be able to reveal the hidden aspect by just having 5 TB in the weapon and speaking to the npc another time (even when using a different weapon), though maybe not immediately if they have other things to say.--Boofsader (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

- Right, thanks. The article text is technically correct then, it just mislead me because the third bullet point starts with "Wait for", making it seem like it follows after the other two chronologically. 82.75.91.176 15:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

- Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but it does follow the other 2 chronologically:

The third point is talking to Asterius until he gives you the waking phrase (not the conversation I quoted previously). He won't give you the phrase before Guan Yu is revealed and 5 TB is spent in the Fists. The "sub-point" ("You likely need to bring the Fists...") addresses the conversation I quoted. --Boofsader (talk) 16:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I've changed the reveal process on the main page. Let me know if it helps clear things up.--Boofsader (talk) 17:58, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Yup, I think that's better — cheers 82.75.91.176 21:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)